These Deshuan Watson trade reports are just great
If he goes to the AFC west, this might be the best division for football going forward. Mahomes vs Watson vs Herbert vs that raiders guy.
WRONG IT WILL BE:
Mahomes
Herbie
Russell Wilson
Drew Blah
Yup, Raiders are only logical place for Russ IF he gets traded:
Saints: cap hell and Famous Jameis
Boys: Dak
Bears: who the hell wants to go there
Raiders: yes
He does have a former teammate in Jimmy Graham in chicago. Chicago is already a playoff team so I think itd be likely them IF he goes anywhere. Still doubt he will tho
For real though I check social media nonstop waiting to hear news on this cat.
I honestly thought Denver was going to land Stafford but that didn’t happen and since their offer for him was made public, now the cats out of the bag as far as the new GM wanting to upgrade from Lock... no telling what could happen in the next month or two.
Houston has to shit or get off the pot with this situation. The longer they wait, the more offers will start being pulled. Guys like Wentz and Darnold are going to get shipped out to teams that would otherwise be making this deal for Watson. Tick tock ⏰
I think the Texans are holding onto hope that they can keep him, but I don't see Watson letting that happen. I think the longer they wait, the less value he has. Teams will know the Texans have no choice and that brings the price down. If I was in charge of the Dolphins I would offer Xavien Howard, Tua and a second round pick and if they don't take it... officially announce they are not considering trading for him and move on because the longer this drags out the more this becomes a distraction to the teams involved. I have a feeling this is going to drag out all off-season.
I agree but here’s what I don’t like about that:
The “trade” for him will surely include draft picks one way or another. They shouldn’t wait until even close to draft night to make this deal. For one it takes the spotlight off the rookies when the nights supposed to be about them, and secondly, what if everyone calls the Texans bluff? They try to hold out and get a kings ransom for him then it blows up in their faces. Too much to lose by waiting I think.
And as far as keeping him I don’t think it’s even an option at this point. We saw what happened with the Earl Thomas situation where he didn’t want to play for them, but they tried to make him play. He ended up flipping off the fans.. Now imagine that same situation but at the quarterback position. Total shitshow. He could take the first snap of the year and just hand it off to somebody on defense or something lol
Agreed... but I just read a couple seperate reports saying the Texans are not even considering offers for him. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns into a shit show like it did with Earl Thomas, Antonio Brown. Personally I don't agree with players getting away with this stuff, but they do. If a team drafts you and pays you 150million dollars and you refuse to play... you should have to forfeit your contract and not be allowed to sign a new one for at least a year. If you don't wanna committ to your team, don't sign a long term deal.
ill offer 1 mhc for him to go to the raiders
As of right now the Texans are saying they are not even entertaining offers for him. A source leaked last week that it would cost a minimum 2 first rounders, 2 2nd rounders, and 2 young talented players (preferred defense) If either one of those reports are true... this eliminates almost any chance of Watson getting out of there this year. Any team trading that much is crazy because then you just end up in salary cap hell with no young cheap players left to build around him. Everybody keeps reporting the Dolphins favorites to land him... but with the Dolphins signing Tuas former personal coach from H.S. to be the Q.B. coach and saying over and over that Tua is the starter next year leads me to believe everything we have been hearing is nothing more than speculations. I am 99% sure the Dolphins will not trade 4 picks in the first 2 rounds for Watson... it just makes no sense for them to do that unless Deshaun took a 50% pay cut and a player stomping his feet and demanding a trade isn't the type of player that's gonna do something like that.
This whole thread has turned into a backstabbing dumpster fire lmao what have we done
Texans have said they arent going to trade him, unless they are doing it to try and drive up the price, they just have a quarterback pissed abojt playing with them
Broncos will offer Drew Lock and a 2032 3rd rounder
Easy decision. Honestly tho I think that’s paying to much lock for Watson straight up
I love how fans are determining what a “correct” price for Deshaun Watson is. He’s a 25 year old MVP level quarterback. It’s fine to give up running backs when you can scoop up an above average replacement in the second or third round of a draft. Especially if you put a good line in front of them.
I think you are undervaluing CMC quite a bit... him and Saquon are heads and shoulders above any other RB's because of their pass catching abilities. Deshaun is good, but MVP level is a bit bold for what has he done? Led the league in passing yards? Guess who did that last year... Jameis Winston. Teams throw the ball when they are behind, that's why Dak was averaging 8,000 yards, cause his teams never had a lead. Garbage time stats.
Garbage time stats lead to high interceptions and low completion percentage. Watson three only 10 picks and was 3rd in completion percentage. Also he was competing against a majority of teams and most games that they lost were relatively close. Lost in OT to the titans twice, lost by one score to the colts twice because his receivers fumbled inside the 10. Lost to the Vikings by one score because bill o brien gave David Johnson 4 rush attempts inside the 7 and he couldn’t score. Lost by 5 to the bengals cause the defense gave up 38 to a backup qb. And they lost by one score tj the Steelers. None of those were garbage time and those were some of watsons beat games. Your argument is both irrelevant and just flat out wrong
This is not true at all... garbage time is the opposite. Garbage time yards like Watson this year and Winston last year means your passing the ball against a soft conservative defense meaning easier to not throw picks. Watson is not MVP level... MVP QBs win and Watsons great numbers translated into 4 wins.
Garbage time stats lead to high interceptions and low completion percentage. ... what does this mean? The facts are literally the opposite of this. Let's dig into this a little bit more, shall we? Deshaun led the league by far in 4th quarter passing yards. Almost 20% more than the next closest guy. He also had 13 TDs against 2 Interceptions during this time.
Garbage time stats? Ok, let's do this. 1,495 of his yards (nearly 33%!) were in garbage time or when his team was down big.
Ok stick with Teddy Bridgewater and PJ Walker and see how far you go.
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I don't care about the Panthers, but what do you honestly think their record would be in 2021 if they gave up CMC and the draft picks? You think Deshaun minus CMC and picks vaults the Panthers from 5-11 to exactly what ?
That's what nobody understands about Watson... the Texans had a decent roster this year and it got them 4 wins... any team giving up their best young players and picks for his massive salary isn't going to be able to improve in other areas. Broncos, Jets, 49ers, Panthers... are all teams that aren't going to be much better with him because there isn't enough talent around him. He made it very clear this year that he can't carry a team alone.
Exactly this. And two out of his four wins were against the 1-15 Jags 😂 ... the other two against the Lions and Patriots aren’t exactly quality opponents either. Yes they got rid of Hopkins, but I don’t know where this narrative started that the Texans didn’t have talent. DJ is a solid RB, and Cooks, Fuller, and Cobb are a better than average trio.
We don't need to trade CMC to get a good QB
What other qbs are there to get. Ur options are draft whatever qb is left at 8 or trade for Watson. Watson will require a lot so either CMC or more picks. This is coming from a panthers fan. CMC is easily replaceable, a good qb is not. Aaron Jones is an elite running back and they could just scoop him up in free agency
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HaHaHa... I don't think you understand the cap situation with Watson. If the Panthers got Watson, he would be a cap hit of 42 and 50 mill. in 2023 and 2024... the projected total cap next year is 180 mill. There is zero chance the Panthers could pay Jones in the open market and have Watson. Watson alone is going to count for 30% of your total cap... you would have to add talent through the draft, but also trade all your good picks for him. If Watson didn't have the second highest salary in the NFL then this would be a different type of trade. It's literally trade your entire future for 1 player.
I see the Panthers trading the #8 and next years first for the #3 and draft a QB there.
See, this Panthers fan gets it. Don’t let the CMC love blind side the need for an elite quarterback. RBs are so easy to come by, Mike Davis was looking like an all pro for a few games there. And 90% of their production comes from other players’ contributions on the field!
Cool. Then don’t and don’t get Deshaun Watson. Doesn’t matter to me shrug
What has CMC ever done for your team in terms of wins and losses that makes him untouchable?
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No way they give away CMC, he is worth too much
Running backs aren’t worth much because they are easily replaceable. You can’t just get a star qb for your Team. For running backs you could. and there a top 8 rb in free agency so they could just bring him in as a replacement.
Yes, but if you take on Watsons contract... you aren't signing anybody else top tier in an open market. Go look at Watsons contract, your cap, the total cap and you will see why you can't sign anybody with him. For instance Aaron Jones will probably be close to a 15 mill cap hit and Watson is around 45-50 mill after this year...65 mill on two players leaves you 115 mill for 53 other players... how good do you think that team would be???
That's true, but imo CMC is too talented and valuable to the Panthers to just trade away
Three first rounders and CMC? That would be one of the most lopsided trades in NFL history. It would be hilarious to watch Deshaun for 4-12 for a different team so we can hear the new excuses on why he can’t win games.
A qb is more valuable than a rn and three first will most likely not turn into a superstar an. No matter what you say watson had one of the best seasons of all time this year. PFF has said that this season by Watson was the best since 06 Manning. No qb has had both a bottom 2 defense and bottom 2 running and still succeeded. No qb has ever been rated above a 90 on the PFF scale and missed the playoffs. Watsons team was just that bad. Watson is worth 3 first and a running back. Running backs are replaceable, first round picks only turn into good players around half the time. Roughly 47 percent of 1st round picks are bust, and with a late first round pick the odds are even higher. Realistically you can expect 1 or 2 good players out of those picks. Watson is worth 3 first
No, he did not. I don't need speculation on some PFF fan blog from a Canadian about his stats. The actual PFF site had Rodgers rated higher AND the same article quotes: "One could even argue that Rodgers’ season was one of the great quarterback campaigns of the PFF era (since 2006)."
I didn’t say anything about Rodgers dumbass. No doubt he deserved mvp but tf does that have to do with Watson.
My "dumbass" will quote you... "No matter what you say watson had one of the best seasons of all time this year. PFF has said that this season by Watson was the best since 06 Manning.. I'm pointing out the same article doesn't say that, and contradicts itself by saying Rodgers in fact had one of the great QB campaigns of the PFF era.
The term one of is not mutually exclusive. That means there were multiple seasons like that Rodgers and Watson can both have one of the best seasons of all time the same year
Huh? Take it from someone who loves nothing more than Texans misery (cowboys fan) but the Texans just went to the playoffs one season ago and took down the bills. They then went up on the chiefs and had a historic malfunction (who would have though with Bill O Brien as coach). Then fast forward a year later where JJ Watt wants to punch his head coach (same guy who traded Hopkins for peanuts) and here we are. Watson still balled out despite the tornado of ineptitude that was placed around him.
There are tiers of QB's who can win games for their teams, and tiers of QB's that flat out can't. Ironically enough Dak is another example of a QB that can't win games on his own. Someone like Rodgers or Mahomes... you put them on the Texas and they go 12-4 this year I shit you not. Rodgers specifically has historically done more with less than Deshaun had this year.
If Deshaun lands somewhere like Carolina (minus CMC) or Dallas he's gonna be sub-500 again.
The problem with your argument is that it’s all speculative and flies in the face of true numbers so I can’t find it credible. Sorry.
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I mean, I can give you true numbers. Let's look at the two years Rodgers was injured, 2013 and 2017. In 2013, the team went 6-3 with him and 2-4-1 without. In 2017, they went 4-3 with him and 3-6 without. It's not speculative.
What does that have to do with hypotheticals with quarterbacks switching teams?
Russell Wilson trade rumors are even worse
The Panthers didn't offer that. A writer by the name of David Newton who works for ESPN was on NFL Live and made a bold prediction that the Panthers would offer CMC and 3 first to get Deshaun Watson, then a writer twisted his words and made it seem like the Panthers did offer that to the Texans.
Yeah no way they are giving up CMC. 3 first rounders? Yes. CMC? Hell no.
The report indicated the panthers would be willing to offer that much for Watson. I doubt they actual offered it but I’m pointing out that they would consider that offer according to the report
This is honestly the most dramatic sports news I’ve seen in years. The panthers have reportedly been willing to offer 3 first and CMC, the Broncos announced they are willing to make a large offer of the Texans are even considering a trade and God knows what the 49ers and Dolphins have been doing behind the scenes. Deshuan is single carrying nfl news now that the season is over